Bonny Snowdon 00:06
Hello, I'm Bonny Snowdon, ex corporate person, a mother turned successful artist entrepreneur. It wasn't that long ago though that I lacked the confidence, vision and support network to focus on growing my dream business. Fast forward past many life curveballs, waves of self-doubt and so many lessons learned and you'll see Ignite, my thriving online colour pencil artists community, a community that changes members lives for the better and gives me freedom to live abundantly whilst doing what I love and spending quality time with my beloved family and dogs, all whilst creating my best artwork with coloured pencils, and mentoring others to do the same. But this life wasn't always how it was for me, it used to only exist in my imagination. I've created the It's a Bonny Old Life podcast to help increase people's confidence, share mine and my communities experience and hope through fascinating personal stories, champion the other amazing humans in my personal, professional and membership community, and create another channel through which I can support others to realize their dreams. If you're a passionate colour pencil artist, or an aspiring one who's looking to create their best work, and a joyful life you love, you're in the right place. Grab a cuppa and a custard cream, let's get cracking.
It's not just what you say, it's how you say it. And in this week's episode, I speak to Katherine Beck who we had the most fascinating conversation. Katherine is a voice coach. And it was really, really interesting actually to talk to her about how our voices work and what we can ultimately do with them. Sit back and enjoy this episode. It's really, really interesting.
Katherine Beck 01:44
How are you?
Bonny Snowdon 01:45
I'm really good. So it's early in the morning for me, and it's in the evening for you.
Katherine Beck 01:52
Yes. What time is it there?
Bonny Snowdon 01:53
Well, it's not that early. It's half past eight. It's not overly, I still look like it's about five o'clock in the morning. But I have had a shower. I'm so tired at the minute. I don't know why. So I've done all of this stuff I usually do. And I was like, oh, I've got a really nice conversation this morning. What a lovely way to start the day.
Katherine Beck 02:22
It is a lovely way to start the day and a lovely way to finish the day. It's funny because I was still doing some work. And then all of a sudden the notification popped up. And I knew it was happening because I saw it. And then I totally forgot about it because I don't always have podcast interviews later in the day. And I was like, "Oh, I forgot about this."
Bonny Snowdon 02:43
Oh, gosh, Are you sure it wasn't like, oh, that's fine.
Katherine Beck 02:52
No, because like I said, I saw it in my calendar. So I knew it was happening today. I was aware. My hair is looking weird. But you know how you get like so wrapped up in here.
Bonny Snowdon 03:12
Oh, gosh. I know.
Katherine Beck 03:14
I was working on messaging. And you know how that is? So?
Bonny Snowdon 03:19
Yes. And I'm really, really excited to speak to you, because I've been having some voice coaching. So in the UK, I've been having some voice coaching. And it actually has made a huge difference. Looking at your website, you've got some celebrities, and you're amazing. So I would really love to know is what got you into it, what you do, how you help people because voice coaching I stumbled on it just because somebody sort of mentioned something, and I do a lot of ums and ers and everything when I'm doing my talkings. And I didn't know any other way of doing it. And having a voice coach has really helped me understand how I can make what I want to say come across better. And I think more people need voice coaching. So I'd love to hear your story and how you do it.
Katherine Beck 04:27
Well, my story started and I think recently I've pivoted or evolved or niched up however you want to say it from working just with actors and now working with really anyone who wants to work on their voice. But I'm focusing a lot on what we might call the industry's best kept secret. It's those people who are experts or highly skilled in some sort of way. But something is holding them back from using their voice. And they've got a big message. They could be a visionary. They could be an innovator. They could be a thought leader. But they're hesitant to show up and use their voice. And so that has come from when I was a little girl, I was very shy. And I'm still shy. But I've learned how to use my voice. But I remember that I would always hesitate speaking in front of a group of people. I didn't like the spotlight being on me, unless I was performing on stage. That was the first time I felt confident, and comfortable in front of an audience. So I fell in love with acting. I really felt like that was my outlet for creativity, and expression. And I loved it.
I grew up in Chicago, I moved to Hollywood, as most actors do. Did the whole LA thing, it was live in the Hollywood dream. But in 2004 I was at a bar on the Hollywood strip, in walks and Australian orders two beers at the bar in his fine Australian accent. And that was it. I was hooked. We spent six days together and after six days, we were in love and had to figure out what the next step was. So I found myself, after knowing him for just three months, we were engaged. And seven months after meeting, we were married, and I was moving halfway around the world to Sydney, Australia. Thinking, how am I going to have a career in Australia? I don't speak Australian. I don't sound Australian. So I made it my mission to learn the Australian accent so that I could book rolls over there and continue to be an actor. Well, it was pretty hard. And I haven't worked with a dialect coach, and I really struggled. It's not an easy accent to learn, let alone authentically performing it. But I persevered. And I was able to master it and start booking work. And it was through that process that actors who were in Sydney where I was, were asking me, "Hey, can you help me learn the American accent so I can book you as roles." And I was like, "Sure." So I went from being the actor, and being a character to now being in the spotlight as myself. And that's what I found to be the scariest thing in the world. Is speaking about what I do and not being able to hide behind a character. So I really struggled with that, and had to find a way to build up my confidence to be able to speak about what I do and share it with people. And that was hard. And when I started my online business, it was geared towards actors.
But a couple years ago, I started to feel this pool to want to work with other people as well. I don't really know why it was. But I've just felt like I was destined to speak more than just teaching actors how to sound American, it just didn't feel like it was ultimately my greater purpose. Or maybe it was at that time. And I just felt like now my greater purpose had shifted. And what I was getting really called to do was to help people find their voice, their true voice, and share it with the world. And because I struggled so hard for such a long time, with showing up online as my true self. I had a soft spot for those that I thought were like me. The industry's best kept secret, who had a very strong message, knew that they had something really important to share with people but were hesitating and holding back. And I really wanted to be the one to help support them through the process so that they could create the ripple effect and create impact in the world and make the world a better place doing what they do.
Bonny Snowdon 09:31
Oh, wow. This conversation has come at a really pivotal point for me. Because that's something that I've really struggled with. And do you find that when you're talking to somebody who they've got something to say, they've got a story to tell, is it usually they're struggling to share it because of something that's happened in their history or something like that or is it just that they lack the confidence of being able to talk in front of somebody?
Katherine Beck 10:06
So when it comes to confidence, a lot of people do struggle with that lack of confidence. And usually it comes from some story or thing that's been holding us back for many years. Our voice can evolve and change over time based on circumstances and events. And oftentimes, if there's some sort of hesitancy or holding back or lack of confidence, we need to dissect and figure out what that is, where that came from. And a lot of times it comes from, it could be the simplest thing that happened to you, for example, in school. That you've been holding on for years, and you didn't even realize you were holding on to it. Or it could have been the first time let's say, you were in the corporate field. And you were told that you needed to sound formal. So now, every time you speak, you speak with this formality. And you think that that's what it means to be professional and to be respected in your field. So there's a lack of emotion, because 20 years ago, you were told and conditioned that women in the workplace are meant to not be emotional. And you've held on to that for all these years. It could be the simplest thing that somebody said to you. And it's still orchestrating how you speak today. It's in the sounds, it's in the way you communicate.
Bonny Snowdon 11:38
So I'm guessing it's like a coaxing and a coaching, trying to figure out. Because I know when I've had coaching, when somebody's been coaching me, and those initial conversations that you have are very sort of on the surface. Well, this, that, and the other and oh, well, I'm not very confident. And then as soon as you start to dig in, it's like, oh, gosh and then it starts to feel uncomfortable, because you do have to dig a little bit, and you have to uncover all of those things that you've known for so long, and you've done for so long. Whether it's not speaking out because of something that's happened or because you've learned to speak in a particular way, because of the industry you're working in. And then it's quite difficult because it almost feels like a part of your identity is being stripped away. How do people cope with that?
Katherine Beck 12:32
I think most people don't even realize that it's happening. And they find other ways to cope with it. So for example, let's say, because both you and I work in the online space, oftentimes, what I see is people will lean towards strategy. What's the next strategy? What's the next thing? What's the next funnel? And they'll use that as a way to fix whatever is lacking in their business. Instead of looking within and going, okay, perhaps it's how I'm delivering my messaging, perhaps it's how I am showing up. Maybe that potentially could be the thing that is repelling or losing interest and your audience. They're not staying till the end of your webinar, you know, all the things. Why perhaps your sales have started to dwindle or aren't consistent, or you're having difficulty building your audience. But it's so much easier to look at the external, then the internal.
Bonny Snowdon 13:41
Oh, my goodness, it really is. Because nobody wants to open that Pandora's Box, do they? Nobody wants to dip in there and go, "Oh, maybe I'm not quite as awesome as I thought I was." That's really hard. But actually, I think to get anywhere in life, to start getting real success it's got to be that genuine authenticity. I know being authentic is like a buzzword and everything at the moment, but it is really true. Because people see through when you're trying to put something on that's not you, people see through it, don't they?
Katherine Beck 14:21
Yeah, it's fake authenticity. And people have a hard time understanding what actually their authentic self is because we're so conditioned to bottle up things to protect ourselves, to keep us safe. And for me as a voice coach, it first starts with the breath. When you open up the breath. You allow yourself to emote and you allow yourself to then connect. So if you're not even breathing properly, which most people don't even know how to do, then it's going to be a hard achievement to be authentic. Your body is literally holding you back protecting you, trying to keep you safe from potentially getting hurt. So when you're authentic, you're allowing yourself to be a bit vulnerable to whatever degree you decide to be. But by doing that there is a potential to be hurt. And we don't want to be hurt, therefore, we bottle it up. And we tend to not breathe properly.
Bonny Snowdon 15:35
Yeah, and the breathing thing, I do know how to breathe properly, whether I breathe properly, more than I don't breathe properly. But actually, when you start to breathe properly, it is quite hard work to begin with. When you're actually trying to get the breath everywhere it can be. And I guess getting that oxygen everywhere as well, it's a bit of a funny feeling. But absolutely. So, so, so important. I tend to do a lot of teaching and I talk quite fast. And it just comes out and blah, blah, blah. And I'm very good at just talking off the cuff and everything. But then I find that I'm not taking my breaths properly. So I tend to breathe through my mouth when I'm teaching. And then what happens is that my throat starts to dry. And then I have a thing. And it's my body trying to keep me safe. My voice disappears. It just goes. And I am sure that that is down to poor breathing. When I'm actually talking and speaking, because everything is so quick, I don't have time to take enough breath. Then when I do, it's all sort of through my mouth and not through my nose. And I'm consciously trying to slow down a little bit, to take a good breath more often than not, because then I save my voice from just disappearing.
Katherine Beck 17:08
When do you say it disappears what do you mean?
Bonny Snowdon 17:12
It's sort of, I get like a capture at the back of my throat and it goes dry. And then when I talk, I kind of get stuck.
Katherine Beck 17:24
So it doesn't actually go away. You can still hear yourself, but it gets stuck in your throat?
Bonny Snowdon 17:29
Yeah.
Katherine Beck 17:30
Right. So this area where you speak your vocal folds is actually passive in the act of speaking. So if you're feeling it in your voice, chances are we may need to go back and check the breath to see if portfolios supporting and have enough stamina to support what we're speaking about. Then we would want to check your articulator to see if you're actually getting the sound with clarity and it's actually transcending out to your audience. It sounds like if you're speaking fast, while you know clearly exactly what to say you may be in your head while you're communicating, thinking about what you're going to say a little bit, instead of actually connecting with your audience. And when we're in our head, it's easy for the vocal energy to go into the body and into the vocal folds, which is a habit instead of out to the other person, which is where we want it to go. And when we send the voice where it needs to go and make this area again, passive, the vocal folds. Then that feeling of your voice disappearing, or getting croaky or that vocal fry, that all starts to go away?
Bonny Snowdon 18:56
Oh, that's really interesting. Yes, because I'm always thinking about the next steps. Whatever I'm doing, I do a lot of tutorials. So I'm sitting there drawing, I'm doing something in my head. I'm 10 steps ahead. What I need to be doing and I vocalize everything. So that's very interesting.
Katherine Beck 19:17
Yeah. So when you think your voice goes inward naturally, that's what tends to happen. It's the vocal energy goes inward to where you're thinking. And you want to start thinking outwardly and connecting to your audience as you're drawing thinking of them and inviting them to the party. Because when we're in our head, we're actually disconnecting from our audience, and it's harder for them to stay engaged with you and stay along for the ride.
Bonny Snowdon 19:46
So what changes would I need to make then. Not that I'm wanting a free coaching session here, but it's really interesting because that's not something that I've thought about ever.
Katherine Beck 20:01
I know, that's the thing is, we are so wrapped up in our own heads, our own thoughts that we forget that when we're communicating, and I think this is where it gets tricky is because when you're online, you are communicating to all these people, but because they're not in the room with you, sometimes you forget. And then it's like you're communicating to yourself. Right?
Bonny Snowdon 20:25
Yes. Very often I will be sitting drawing, if I'm doing a live stream, and I'm sitting drawing and then somebody will ask a question, and I will literally jump with fright. And I'm like, "Oh, my goodness I forgot you were there" Because I'm just completely off on my own thing. And it's not a bad thing, I don't think. But I haven't thought of that as something that I could actually start to think about and reflect on.
Katherine Beck 20:53
Yeah, it's so important, because to keep your audience engaged, that's the whole reason, and they’re there for you. But sometimes we forget that we're also there for them. Like, there's a reason why they showed up. And they didn't show up to hear us inside of our heads, and hear all of our stuff, or baggage. And oftentimes, that's what happens inadvertently, because we don't even realize that we're doing it because we're so caught up in our thoughts or moment, all that sort of stuff. So I would say the more you can like, even just as simple as setting an intention for yourself before you begin drawing, how do you want your audience to feel by the end of the drawing? What would you like for them? What's the outcome that you would like for them by the end of that session, that workshop, that thing that you're doing together? What would you want for them? And the more we can start putting the energy out to them, the voice will follow. Every time you notice it pop back into your head, you want to send it back to them. And I think it helps to have a conversation with them. And keep them actively engaged and feeling like they're communicating with you and you're there together. Because the more that the conversation becomes one sided, and it's just you talking about, this is the next step. And then we're going to do this and then we're going to do that. It's great, they get the tutorial, and they're there and they learn. But they're missing that connection piece from you where potentially they may want to take the next step with you to learn more from you or whatever that might be. It is a little bit tricky at first, but then when you get a sense of it, it's really about building up to your awareness. And it's a beautiful thing, because then you start to use that heightened sense of awareness and other aspects of your life as well.
Bonny Snowdon 23:10
That's very interesting. I shall take that away. I've got a session tonight. It's actually a confidence session all about scams on social media. Because people get so worried about scams and all of that kind of stuff. So, I will I'll have a think about that I think, that's definitely given me food for thought. Very interesting.
Katherine Beck 23:38
I have that effect on people.
Bonny Snowdon 23:42
So coming from that actor place and moving into this space, do you feel that you've now found your calling? Is this what you feel you should have been doing all along?
Katherine Beck 23:54
Not necessarily that it was what I was supposed to be doing all along, but it was the next step. I think the experience that I had as an actor was amazing. And then that experience, then taking it and coaching actors on their performance, then brought me to this place where I can take years of stage experience in all sorts of different stages. And the keen ear and eye that I have for being able to detect connection versus disconnect has given me such a unique set of tools to help support experts, personal brands, online business owners who have found themselves needing to put themselves out in the spotlight and feeling a little bit insecure and vulnerable and not quite sure how to navigate their way through it and just needing some support. So it's been really cool to see that life has so many twists and turns. I never would have imagined I would have moved to Australia. And here I am. So you never know where life's gonna take you and what that next step is going to be. But it can be a scary thing. And it's just about surrendering and giving into wherever life is calling you to be the next step. And for me, it just happens to be this.
Bonny Snowdon 25:34
So you've been in Australia since 2004, 2005?
Katherine Beck 25:38
2005.
Bonny Snowdon 25:41
And still in Sydney?
Katherine Beck 25:43
Yeah. Still in Sydney.
Bonny Snowdon 25:45
Amazing. And is it a very different life? Because people talk about being Australia being much more laid back and all of that kind of stuff?
Katherine Beck 25:53
Yeah, it's pretty different. I grew up in Chicago, which is a big city. And then I moved to LA, which is a big city, but it's more spread out. So moving to Sydney, even though it was a big city, it felt like a small town coming from the United States. And in the United States, we're so used to convenience and things being open late, and everything being so easy, and so many choices, the variety and all the things. So that was a bit of a sort of culture shock. It probably took me about 10 years to get settled here. And one of the hardest things was, even though we spoke the same language, it was really hard to understand Australians at first because they spoke so fast to me, they spoke fast, and they have so many different slangs. It's like a whole another language here. Avocado can be avo, sandwich could be Sangha, like there's a totally different language, you've got to learn and different phrases that they say. So it took me a while, there was a big culture shock, for sure. But now I love it. And it's a great place to raise kids. And couldn't be happier.
Bonny Snowdon 27:06
Oh, that's amazing. That's absolutely brilliant. And you do still work with actors? Or is it more sort of like the entrepreneurial type thing, people who are wanting to get onto that? I've got an amazing friend who's doing a TED talk today. Honestly, I'm so excited to hear it. She's my coach. She's Susie Pearl. And she's doing a TED talk today. And I honestly thought people going off to do it, they literally just rocked up and said what they have to say. But they have all of this coaching beforehand, they have so much preparation work to put into. Why I thought people just rocked up and talked, I have no idea. But do you help people prepare for those sorts of things?
Katherine Beck 27:54
Yeah, I'm a voice and dialect coach. And so we have the opportunity to speak to a vast array of different types of people in different types of professions. So I've got one client, who is a sixth grader, who is on the debate team. I have another client who's an actor, who is auditioning for a big role. And then I have another client who is a seven figure, online entrepreneur, who is looking to create more consistency in his sales. So it really varies. And that's what I love about it. My focus right now is really working with experts. So that is pretty broad. It could be an actor, it could be an online business owner, it could be somebody who wants to do a TED Talk. The goal is the same for everyone, which is to unlock that story that's been holding you back, find your true voice, identify, I call it your voice brand, which is what really matches you what you are today. What makes you uniquely you. How do you want to be seen as an authority or expert in your field? And let's make sure that your voice matches that. So if you do a lot of ums and ers yet, you know that doesn't really match the expertise and the know-how that you talk about. We look at well, what is that thing that's creating all these ums and ers, let's remove it so that we can now replace it with something else. And then we look at creating a personal connection, a deeper connection with your audience. Because people especially in the online space, they're seeking a connection. And I think now more than ever, people are seeking a connection because we've become so disconnected over the years. So I help people do that, create a connection. And I focus a lot on speaking with emotion, not just logic, because most of us will jump to the logic, we'll jump to the know-how. The things that we know talking about, but that doesn't always resonate with our audience. So I help you bring in that emotional element.
Bonny Snowdon 30:25
Is that sort of where the voice has got that musical quality there? The ups and the downs and the pauses and that kind of thing? Is that what you mean bringing that sort of thing into? Or have I got it completely the wrong?
Katherine Beck 30:40
It is part of it. Your vocal, I think of it more like I still do voiceovers to this day. So as a voiceover artist, what we are trained to do is not to sell. Like, for example, if I was selling an advertisement, a commercial, which I do, I'm the voice of different products. So what a voiceover person is trained to do is not to sell the product, it's to sell the feeling the product gives you, to sell the outcome. So you might sell the pain point of how the person's feeling before they have the product. And then you're selling the outcome of how they want to feel after having the product. So as personal brands, or as anyone basically when we're speaking, we're selling, we're selling feelings. We're selling a movement, we're selling a journey. We're selling how we want people to feel when they're communicating with us. That comes through your vocal toolkit. But it also comes through strategically thinking about that journey, and where you want to take people from beginning, middle and end. So when I'm teaching, there's all these different things that you're looking at, you're looking at the breath, how do we open up the breath, so you can emotes, have emotion, we're looking at how do we read that emotional journey, we're looking at our vocal toolkit, how's that going to serve that, through melody or rhythm or pausing and it all blends in really nicely together. It's not one of those things that's like, beginning, middle and start to finish. Oftentimes, when I'm working with somebody, it feels more like a circle. Like, everything is connected, and we might on one day, start here. And then next week, we might start over here, but it all connects together.
Bonny Snowdon 32:39
That's really interesting. So what is going to be going through my head, as you've been talking about that is, when you're doing the voiceover and everything and the emotion and the outcome? And a lot of time I create voiceover for my own videos, but for things like advertising, I'm about to launch my Academy again next week. So I have been doing, my ads people go, "Oh, please, can you do a voiceover you need to say this, that and the other." And for me, this sounds really awful. But sometimes it's like, ah. Because I just want to be drawing, I don't want to be doing this. I just write the text down. And then I just say what I have to say. But actually, I'm really having a think about what the outcome is, and what people are going to get if they come and join me and bring that emotion. I'm not saying I'm talking emotionlessly. But actually having a really good idea about how I want this to come across. What do I want to put in my voice is really important. I talk quite well.
Katherine Beck 33:53
If it wasn't important then advertisers wouldn't spend the amount of money that they spend on ads. And the big business brands know how important it is. That's why they spend the money that they spend. Personal brands have not yet come to that realization. So we speak with logic of okay, these are the things that I have to say, this is the messaging that I've come up with, but we don't actually think about the outcome. How should I convey this in a way that really connects with somebody and gets them to want to join my workshop, join my program, and do the next step? Because I've been hired to do six second ads, so we can literally sell someone within six seconds. You have that possibility within you. But it's a matter of allowing that to come through and most people will take the safe route and just say what's on the page.
Bonny Snowdon 34:58
Exactly. That's exactly it. I was doing exactly the same thing last night. I've wrote my script out. I've managed to get a little teleprompter on my phone. So I've set my phone. I've got my teleprompter. I'm sitting there. I'm smiling. But actually have I thought about my connection with who is watching this? Have I thought about that? Have I thought about how my voice is coming across? That's not something that even entered my head.
Katherine Beck 35:27
Yeah. And most people don't think about it. And then you'll go, well, why aren't my ads converting? Or why aren't they converting well enough? Let me change the messaging. Let me change the picture. Let me change the wording. Let me change to this. We don't really think about the actual delivery, which is so important. People need that connection. Especially when you're in a market where there's a lot of competition, they'll move on to somebody else. Or they might be interested at first, like, you might initially get a traction, but it'll be harder to sustain it in the long run.
Bonny Snowdon 36:07
Do you know with this online business palaver that I've got myself into I absolutely love it. I I started my Academy in 2021. So we're coming into its second year. And I adore every single part of it. I really do. It's fascinating. It's exciting. But you never get to a point where you're like, oh, I've got everything now, I've got all my ducks in a row. Everything's working perfectly. It's always like, well, what about this? What about this? And I'm thinking, oh, my God, what about my delivery? What about how I deliver my sessions, how I didn't talk over? And that now is another part of what I need to have a look into.
Katherine Beck 36:54
Yeah, and that's usually when it happens, it usually happens once you've had a level of success. To the point where most people will go, oh, my gosh, I never thought about how I deliver, how I'm showing up or how I'm saying the things that I'm saying. And that's usually when people get to that mid six figure mark, that's when they start thinking about it and going well, if I want to get to seven figures, and they start to catch wind that that's what the seven figure earners are doing. They go I want to do that, too.
Bonny Snowdon 37:28
Well, there's no easy way of getting to that success. However, the likes of James Wedmore. I also follow Stu McLaren, their secret sauce they teach it is there. It's all there for you. You just got to soak it up and and do it, but find your way of doing it. And that's, where all of the hard work comes from.
Katherine Beck 37:57
That's it. Yeah, exactly. And even our Coach James Wedmore, he speaks to that. He will show you like the three pieces of the puzzle. There's your messaging, there's your offer and then there's you. And it's the “you” part that people really struggle with. And they keep going back to messaging, offer, messaging, offer, messaging, offer, and they keep forgetting about the “you” part.
Bonny Snowdon 38:26
Well, so we don't want to get into the “you” part. Because it means that you have to do reflection, you have to dig deep, you have to find out what's stopping you. And that's the hardest bit.
Katherine Beck 38:41
Yeah, it is. But when it comes to showing up as your authentic self, even just baby steps, just by acknowledging that your presence and your delivery is a part of the business that you're in is a huge step. I tell people all the time that it's not enough just to present an offer. It's about creating an experience every time that somebody enters your world. So whenever you're drawing and you're creating that experience for them, how do you want them to feel throughout that experience? Do you want them to feel like they've been welcomed into your home? Or do you want them to feel like an outsider that's intruding your space? And so we have the capability to create a rock star event for people to be the Taylor Swift concert. Or we could be the person busking on the side of the road not doing very good job because they're bored with life and they're just doing it just to see if they can get a few extra dollars. It's totally up to you. And it starts with just being intentional and going, okay, how do I want people to feel. And if you are a change maker, and wanting to create an impact in the world, doesn't matter what you're doing. But if you want to have that ripple effect, you can do it every day. And it just starts with literally how you show up. And considering the people that are watching and allowing them to be part of your world in that moment and time.
Bonny Snowdon 40:37
That's brilliant, such good advice. Honestly, such good advice. I do get good feedback. But I also know that I can get completely lost in what I do when I'm trying to teach somebody else. And that has made me become much more aware of how I need to come across to other people. Wow, that is amazing. It is brilliant. It's fascinating, and understanding what other people do and how they help people. Because we're all here to serve. We're all here to do something amazing. That's my naughty dog. And I just think it's wonderful. And thank you so much for giving up your evening to chat to me. It's been absolutely fascinating and really helpful. And so interesting.
Katherine Beck 41:33
Yeah, it is. It's interesting. We communicate every day, but we don't always think about how we communicate and how it affects other people's lives and how small shifts can make such a dramatic difference in our personal and professional life.
Bonny Snowdon 41:49
Definitely. Oh, gosh, well on that note with the dog barking. Oh, thank you so much, Katherine for spending this time with me. It's been amazing. Absolutely amazing. I probably need to get in touch with you to help me with my voice or anything like that. It's been really lovely to meet you. Thank you for giving up your time and for telling your story.
Katherine Beck 42:13
Thank you so much.
Bonny Snowdon 42:15
All right, hopefully I'll speak to you again soon. Thanks, Katherine.
Katherine Beck 42:19
You're so welcome.
Bonny Snowdon 42:22
Bye.
Katherine Beck 42:26
Bye.
Bonny Snowdon 42:26
I really hope you enjoyed listening to this episode of my It's a Bonny Old Life podcast. If you did, I'd be so grateful to you for emailing me or texting a link to the show, or sharing it on social media with those who might like it too. My mission with this podcast is all about sharing mine and my communities experience and hope by telling your fascinating personal stories, championing the other amazing humans in my personal, professional and membership community, and to create another channel through which I can support you to realize your coloured pencil and life dreams. If you haven't done so yet. Please help me on my mission to spread positivity and joy throughout the coloured pencil world by following me on my socials at Bonny Snowdon Academy, or by getting on my list at bonnysnowdonacademy.com, and remember, I truly believe if I can live the life of my dreams doing what I love, then you can too. We just need to keep championing and supporting each other along the way in order to make it happen. Till next time.
